I wrote that I had 60% winrate with the top tier tank "Object 704". That alone should prove that experience does not make players better (after the first few hours). However even more disturbing data came up.
My girlfriend finally got her Object too and off we went for some massacre. Which never came. Playing together we achieved the terrible 46% winrate. Considering that I'm alone capable of getting 60%, she must be awful. Except she had 1.33 kills, 1770 damage and 610 XP/battle, where the average player who played 5000+ games has 0.77 kills, 1100 damage, 458 XP. To make things worse, in tiers 1-7 the two of us has much higher winrate than me alone while in tier 8 a bit better. The offical page places her to #2700 in winrate, which is really good, and above mine.
So we take a player who can do 60% alone, add another way above average player and get below average winrate. What the hell? We were really puzzled and upset about the results. We started recording battles to figure out how we started to suck. Of course we had facepalm moments but usually we did great and still lost. Like some evil force provided us the most utter idiots. However the idiotfest is not an answer. The enemy should be idiots too so we should win.
The first thing we recognized is the almost total lack of the most expected outcome. I mean if there are two lanes in the field one would say that one team wins in one and loses in the other, according to which team sent more or better tanks to that lane. The outcome would depend on which lane is finished faster allowing that team to cap or attack the other lane from behind. This is the outcome we almost never see. Almost always we see all-lane defeats or all-lane victories. The replays explained why: when the red dots started to show up on the minimap, the tanks in the other lanes ignored everything and started running towards them, usually to their sure death. The side that could show up with force in one place (even in a totally irrelevant place) usually won as they could snipe down the mindless lemmings running to them one by one.
Then I checked the tank statistics again and made this winrate-tier graph. Every point is made from the average of the tanks belonging to that group and tier (so the T9 TD point is the average of the winrate of obj704, T95, Jgdtiger):
One explanation is that TDs and SPGs are getting worse as we progress in the game, so in clan wars no one shall play TD or SPG. The other explanation is more believable: the TDs and SPGs don't fit into the moronic "kill all red lol" strategy. The heavies are the ones the others rush to. The mediums are rushing. The TDs and SPGs simply don't get a shot as they are constantly blocked by rushing ones and can't rush themselves.
But why do the lines have trends? Why not TDs and SPGs are all-time low while meds and heavies are high? Because on lower tiers the new players are cautious and aware of their shortcomings. They think twice before moving. You can reason with them. If I tell a KV that running on the field of Malinovka is bad idea, he'll probably listen. From a Löwe, the answer will probably be "lol". The top tier random players learned nothing but got strong ego. They just got worse.
How could I get 60% then, alone in a TD? Because I played late night and early evening when I couldn't sleep. I played with WoT fans. I could talk to them. They proposed strategies. They cared about my line of fire!!! With my girlfriend we played in the afternoons and weekends when the worst swarm of lolkids were on. They just rushed to the first red dot like moths to the flame. Figuring this out we started playing 1-2 matches at 7 AM, right before we went work. On the left when we stopped playing in the afternoon, on the right the results after two weeks of morning games:
Figuring this out, the most obvious way would be switching to med tanks and have a massacre in the afternoon. However we came up with a much wittier solution, you'll hear about it in a few weeks.
But the result for today remains: the M&S get worse by gaining experience as they get more self-confident, but not an inch smarter. I can't even believe of more elegant proof that the M&S is not "newbie", "undergeared" or "unlucky", just a bunch of lazy idiots.
PS: Quick EVE market update cash+sell+buy 1.31 B (0.5B gifts)
My girlfriend finally got her Object too and off we went for some massacre. Which never came. Playing together we achieved the terrible 46% winrate. Considering that I'm alone capable of getting 60%, she must be awful. Except she had 1.33 kills, 1770 damage and 610 XP/battle, where the average player who played 5000+ games has 0.77 kills, 1100 damage, 458 XP. To make things worse, in tiers 1-7 the two of us has much higher winrate than me alone while in tier 8 a bit better. The offical page places her to #2700 in winrate, which is really good, and above mine.
So we take a player who can do 60% alone, add another way above average player and get below average winrate. What the hell? We were really puzzled and upset about the results. We started recording battles to figure out how we started to suck. Of course we had facepalm moments but usually we did great and still lost. Like some evil force provided us the most utter idiots. However the idiotfest is not an answer. The enemy should be idiots too so we should win.
The first thing we recognized is the almost total lack of the most expected outcome. I mean if there are two lanes in the field one would say that one team wins in one and loses in the other, according to which team sent more or better tanks to that lane. The outcome would depend on which lane is finished faster allowing that team to cap or attack the other lane from behind. This is the outcome we almost never see. Almost always we see all-lane defeats or all-lane victories. The replays explained why: when the red dots started to show up on the minimap, the tanks in the other lanes ignored everything and started running towards them, usually to their sure death. The side that could show up with force in one place (even in a totally irrelevant place) usually won as they could snipe down the mindless lemmings running to them one by one.
Then I checked the tank statistics again and made this winrate-tier graph. Every point is made from the average of the tanks belonging to that group and tier (so the T9 TD point is the average of the winrate of obj704, T95, Jgdtiger):
One explanation is that TDs and SPGs are getting worse as we progress in the game, so in clan wars no one shall play TD or SPG. The other explanation is more believable: the TDs and SPGs don't fit into the moronic "kill all red lol" strategy. The heavies are the ones the others rush to. The mediums are rushing. The TDs and SPGs simply don't get a shot as they are constantly blocked by rushing ones and can't rush themselves.
But why do the lines have trends? Why not TDs and SPGs are all-time low while meds and heavies are high? Because on lower tiers the new players are cautious and aware of their shortcomings. They think twice before moving. You can reason with them. If I tell a KV that running on the field of Malinovka is bad idea, he'll probably listen. From a Löwe, the answer will probably be "lol". The top tier random players learned nothing but got strong ego. They just got worse.
How could I get 60% then, alone in a TD? Because I played late night and early evening when I couldn't sleep. I played with WoT fans. I could talk to them. They proposed strategies. They cared about my line of fire!!! With my girlfriend we played in the afternoons and weekends when the worst swarm of lolkids were on. They just rushed to the first red dot like moths to the flame. Figuring this out we started playing 1-2 matches at 7 AM, right before we went work. On the left when we stopped playing in the afternoon, on the right the results after two weeks of morning games:
Figuring this out, the most obvious way would be switching to med tanks and have a massacre in the afternoon. However we came up with a much wittier solution, you'll hear about it in a few weeks.
But the result for today remains: the M&S get worse by gaining experience as they get more self-confident, but not an inch smarter. I can't even believe of more elegant proof that the M&S is not "newbie", "undergeared" or "unlucky", just a bunch of lazy idiots.
PS: Quick EVE market update cash+sell+buy 1.31 B (0.5B gifts)
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