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Tuesday, 20 March 2012

Friendly helpful ppl yay!

Posted on 23:00 by Unknown
Playing EVE you often encounter nice people who offer you help or gifts or some kind of trade that is highly beneficial for you. These people are known as scammers. Check out a few:
You can find similars in endless numbers in the rookie help, the corporate chat of newbie companies, the Jita local and practically every non-moderated channel.

You obviously don't want to be scammed, and want to know how to separate scammers from honest people. I can tell the solution: you can't. If you think you have an idea how to find trustworthy people, you are already in the group of the victims. Like the guys in the 850B scam who trusted a guy who played nice for years.

Is the situation is hopeless? Absolutely not. You don't have to trust anyone, you have to trust in the trade itself. You can easily spot a scam: it's good for you and someone else offers it. I did not have to fully read the texts above. The "I have 30B ISK to give out", the "would like to offer you a tip", the "liquidating some stock" parts were completely enough for me to stop reading. If he wants to help me, he is a scammer.

How can you recognize a honest trade? At first it's publicly available and using simple UI. I mean why bother with something complicated if simple can do it: if he wants to liquidate his mexallon, he puts up a sell order on he market. The morons who fueled the 2 Trillion Scam were looking for trade contracts instead of sell orders on the marketplace. (Some modules can't be placed on the market, but no one forced anyone to pick those). If something is more complicated than it could be, it's probably a scam (or someone is just being dumb).

Secondly it involves trust. Any move that involves trust can be replaced by a bunch of moves that don't. For example my mining fleet idea involves several small-amount transactions after. Paying all at the end involves trusting the one who picks up the ore. I don't say that the guy who prefers the "trusting" method is a scammer. He can be just lazy. He can just be a social who finds it atrocious that someone doesn't trust his word. It's safer to just walk away, because even if he is not a scammer, his careless behavior opens the door for other scammers. Or simply he can just fail to deliver. For example the "lets mine duds together and i sell the ore and we divid eqully" guy can be honest and still end you up with a loss in the form of ores in a distant station as the guy couldn't calculate that transporting all with his T1 hauler will take 1000 jumps. If he'd pay you after every ore, it would be his problem to handle the transportation, not yours.

Thirdly a scam offers high returns. Why does anyone want to offer you high returns? Why don't he keep it for himself? The common answer is that "I don't have the capital". Well dude, then you are over your head and shouldn't play outside of your league! Especially with my money! There is one and only one acceptable proof that you are able to successfully manage a 100B operation: if you have 100B. But if you have 100B, you don't need my 1.5. So if he asks for your investment, he is either a scammer, or a honest moron. Please scroll up to the pictures again and look at the second, the one with the Mjolnir missiles. It's a very obvious margin trading scam. However I can't be sure that the guy is a scammer. He can easily be a honest idiot who really thinks it's a good deal. If I'd listen to him and lose about 300M, would I be any less in loss if he had nothing to do with it?!


Business report: Buy+Sell+Cash = 1.54B (0.49B gift)
The moron of the day is this guy. People kill even empty Iteron Mark IV Quafe Ultra Edition ships just for fun. But this was no empty ship. And look at his fitting, my Badger II has more EHP! Seriously, how could he get all that money with so little brain?
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