Posting about EVE and reading the comments finally pinpointed a problem that worth seriously investigating. It is "ganking" or "being mean". Most games let PvP only if both parties agree and reward the loser too with some game item or currency. In EVE and in real life anyone can initiate PvP (with certain risks and costs), and the loser will be looted. Socials call this "evil" and "mean". They praise ethics against it and demand some powerful entity (usually the state in real life and the game developer ingame) to stop these "mean people".
While there is totally pointless violence both in real life and EVE, most of the violent actions are motivated by some reward. Also in real life and EVE you have costs to pay and if you just spend all day with pointless violence, you end up starving (and unable to continue violence). I don't think that anyone farms 10 hours doing something that he hates just to be able to fit a ship for pointless ganking that provides him 10 minutes of fun. I think that most of these "mean guys" are successful pirates. They gain huge amount of income from their victims and it allows them to do some wasteful ganking on the side now and then.
Who can be pirated on? The morons and slackers! I will prove that New Eden is not a hostile place. Yes, I lost a ship and will lose ships. But the amount of losses are small compared to the gains. Replacing my ship did not take more time than an average wipefest raid in WoW. The bad reputation of EVE is made by Arthasdklol who could "progress" in WoW (getting new shinies when everyone else), but in EVE he was destroyed. I don't consider pirates evil or wrong, they are a completely natural reaction for the existence of weak but fat targets. Kill a pirate and another takes his place. Kill the moron and piracy goes away!
I think that if you are not a moron or slacker, if you can think and act a-socialy, you'll be fine in EVE. I'll document my journey from rags to riches, of course without buying PLEX in the item shop. I will prove that those "terrible griefers" that make EVE "awfully unwelcoming to new players" are just preying on the morons and slackers and cause little problem to players with brain, even if they are new.
Let me clarify, I'm not trying to prove that you can progress in EVE, that's trivial (whoa, you can progress in a video game?!). I'm trying to prove that despite EVE has the reputation of mindless violence, you can progress without being better in violence. Actually you can collect masses of wealth without ever firing a gun. You can afford to hire people who will shoot for you.
Also, I will prove (no "trying" here), that M&S is abundant in EVE, even if not so obtrusively as in WoW. Maybe they are not infesting the endgame, they don't run corporations or own star systems, but they are there. The pure existence of profitable piracy proves it. And the success of goblinish businessmen will prove it too. The players of EVE like to think of themselves that they are the elite of gaming. Thinking high of yourself because of membership to any group is a very bad thing and usually leads to losses. Being great needs more than joining some group and especially more than subscribing to a video game. Arthasdklol can do that. And if he can, he does, we learned that. I mean, who else place an overpriced buy order few systems away from a normally priced sell order?
You might notice that this post had a new label, "EVE business". There will be many other like that, hopefully helping goblin-minded people to start playing this great game.
PS: Tobold always whined that he did not get donations for his blog and his work is not paid. Now look at these:
While there is totally pointless violence both in real life and EVE, most of the violent actions are motivated by some reward. Also in real life and EVE you have costs to pay and if you just spend all day with pointless violence, you end up starving (and unable to continue violence). I don't think that anyone farms 10 hours doing something that he hates just to be able to fit a ship for pointless ganking that provides him 10 minutes of fun. I think that most of these "mean guys" are successful pirates. They gain huge amount of income from their victims and it allows them to do some wasteful ganking on the side now and then.
Who can be pirated on? The morons and slackers! I will prove that New Eden is not a hostile place. Yes, I lost a ship and will lose ships. But the amount of losses are small compared to the gains. Replacing my ship did not take more time than an average wipefest raid in WoW. The bad reputation of EVE is made by Arthasdklol who could "progress" in WoW (getting new shinies when everyone else), but in EVE he was destroyed. I don't consider pirates evil or wrong, they are a completely natural reaction for the existence of weak but fat targets. Kill a pirate and another takes his place. Kill the moron and piracy goes away!
I think that if you are not a moron or slacker, if you can think and act a-socialy, you'll be fine in EVE. I'll document my journey from rags to riches, of course without buying PLEX in the item shop. I will prove that those "terrible griefers" that make EVE "awfully unwelcoming to new players" are just preying on the morons and slackers and cause little problem to players with brain, even if they are new.
Let me clarify, I'm not trying to prove that you can progress in EVE, that's trivial (whoa, you can progress in a video game?!). I'm trying to prove that despite EVE has the reputation of mindless violence, you can progress without being better in violence. Actually you can collect masses of wealth without ever firing a gun. You can afford to hire people who will shoot for you.
Also, I will prove (no "trying" here), that M&S is abundant in EVE, even if not so obtrusively as in WoW. Maybe they are not infesting the endgame, they don't run corporations or own star systems, but they are there. The pure existence of profitable piracy proves it. And the success of goblinish businessmen will prove it too. The players of EVE like to think of themselves that they are the elite of gaming. Thinking high of yourself because of membership to any group is a very bad thing and usually leads to losses. Being great needs more than joining some group and especially more than subscribing to a video game. Arthasdklol can do that. And if he can, he does, we learned that. I mean, who else place an overpriced buy order few systems away from a normally priced sell order?
You might notice that this post had a new label, "EVE business". There will be many other like that, hopefully helping goblin-minded people to start playing this great game.
PS: Tobold always whined that he did not get donations for his blog and his work is not paid. Now look at these:
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