Two quotes from the thread discussing the op that ended with serious capital losses for TEST against BL:
Callduron, on 07 Aug 2013 - 22:42, said:
Woo hoo we just blew up EloManRus in PR-. My point!
This fleet is awesome.
Test + Tribe + Boobs v BL + Pizza + Riot
Baki Yuku, on 08 Aug 2013 - 00:11, said:
Anybody thinking this was great should fucking kill himself. That we lost 19 dreads and 2 carrier is not even the issue the issue is that we FAILED TO FUCKING KEEP EM ON THE FIELD 1 FUCKING JUMP FROM OUR STAGING SYSTEM. WE FAILED TO FORM ANY SORT OF FUCKING DECENT FLEET I'M SORRY BUT LIKE THIS MIGHT AS WELL FUCKING DISBAND!
After these quotes I asked the question:
Guys, do you seriously think that there is a chance to keep these two people (and those who agree with them) in the same alliance?
It's quite obvious that I'm on Baki's side, and I'm not going to argue over it. I'm not saying that we are right and you are wrong. This is a game, everyone plays the way he wants.
I'm just asking: do you really see common future? Wouldn't it be better if the "Callduron people" go left and the "Baki Yuku people" go right?
This is what's been eating TEST: there are clearly two parties, one that aims for competency and victories, and another who honestly believe that defeats are awesome fun. The tensions between the parties are rising and several former leadership members like Beffah and Ingen Kerr left for Pandemic Legion or Nulli.
TEST - while still having the largest membership and only a week away from the record-breaking 6VDT numbers - barely have any FC left, especially since Kurator has announced that his corporation will leave TEST (that's why "Boobs" was mentioned separately on the first quote). Donations went to complete halt after reaching 350B in two weeks.
The forums are burning, especially after Dysphonia Fera who was kicked when connections between PL and TEST broke and went awoxing (actually the awoxes broke the connection) was invited back. His posting quality got him kicked in a day by BoodaBooda (TEST leader) again, only to be re-invited by another leader and instantly set forum mod.
I think the inability of TEST to failcascade due to most of its size provided by one corp is now a curse, as solutions cannot be forced by corp CEOs. The usual "fix it or we leave" that forces alliance leaders to make changes is openly trolled here. -A- died by corps leaving one by one. TEST can lose half of its corps without visible mark on the Dotlan statistics.
It's clear that fire and ice can't be in the same bucket. The "defeat is fail, we must do better" and "defeat is awesome, do it again" people won't last in the same alliance. However the question rises how could they last for 3 years? The solution is simply: because they didn't have to mix. TEST was lead by Montolio and his close and separate staff. He aligned TEST first with Goons, than with PL. The coalition fleets were lead by outside FCs (I don't remember flying under a single TEST FC in the campaign against -A-). This meant that TEST members did not need to be more competent than being able to press F1 and also that competent members could always find like-minded leaders to work with.
However TEST is now alone and the former leadership is gone. Now TEST must use self-grown leadership and it doesn't seem to able to grow any since as soon as you are competent enough to have other options, these options look much better, as nothing annoys a competent person more than "defeat is awesome".
One can ask where the top leader is? I mean even if the whole military directorate and all the FCs left, someone need to be the formal head of the alliance and the corps. The head of alliance is BoodaBooda, the head of Dreddit is Dovinian. What are they doing? Well, BoodaBooda isn't a bad leader who makes bad decisions. BoodaBooda is a horrible leader who makes no decisions. When practically the whole military directorate jumped ship, what did this blessed soul do? Renamed the leadership forum group from "Shortbus" to "High command" and even made a lengthy forum post about it. No doubt that the former name was stupid. But probably this wasn't the most urgent change. But still this was the only change BoodaBooda made in the last weeks. Dovinian, who has proven his worth by being the most AFK CSM of the history is keep being AFK and does absolutely nothing. Ever. TEST has no one left who could give orders and handle problems. Let BoodaBooda explain it himself:
"I MEAN DID YOU EXPECT ME TO READ THIS AND BE LIKE OH YEAH MAYBE GEVLONS RIGHT AND I SHOULD GET RID OF CALLDURON OR BAKI YUKU HMM MAYBE I SHOULD PICK ONE"
Yeah, his all caps anger is understandable. After all the idea to choose between two absolutely conflicting opinions within his own alliance is too much to ask from a leader. I mean such action would be ... leading.
My prediction: TEST won't lose visible amount of members, but it will lose the competent members and their corps. The remaining mass of "for fun" leeches won't be able to hold Delve against Pizza (a small pirate alliance), and will eventually transform into Brave Newbies 2 (without being cute) somewhere in lowsec.
Callduron, on 07 Aug 2013 - 22:42, said:
Woo hoo we just blew up EloManRus in PR-. My point!
This fleet is awesome.
Test + Tribe + Boobs v BL + Pizza + Riot
Baki Yuku, on 08 Aug 2013 - 00:11, said:
Anybody thinking this was great should fucking kill himself. That we lost 19 dreads and 2 carrier is not even the issue the issue is that we FAILED TO FUCKING KEEP EM ON THE FIELD 1 FUCKING JUMP FROM OUR STAGING SYSTEM. WE FAILED TO FORM ANY SORT OF FUCKING DECENT FLEET I'M SORRY BUT LIKE THIS MIGHT AS WELL FUCKING DISBAND!
After these quotes I asked the question:
Guys, do you seriously think that there is a chance to keep these two people (and those who agree with them) in the same alliance?
It's quite obvious that I'm on Baki's side, and I'm not going to argue over it. I'm not saying that we are right and you are wrong. This is a game, everyone plays the way he wants.
I'm just asking: do you really see common future? Wouldn't it be better if the "Callduron people" go left and the "Baki Yuku people" go right?
This is what's been eating TEST: there are clearly two parties, one that aims for competency and victories, and another who honestly believe that defeats are awesome fun. The tensions between the parties are rising and several former leadership members like Beffah and Ingen Kerr left for Pandemic Legion or Nulli.
TEST - while still having the largest membership and only a week away from the record-breaking 6VDT numbers - barely have any FC left, especially since Kurator has announced that his corporation will leave TEST (that's why "Boobs" was mentioned separately on the first quote). Donations went to complete halt after reaching 350B in two weeks.
The forums are burning, especially after Dysphonia Fera who was kicked when connections between PL and TEST broke and went awoxing (actually the awoxes broke the connection) was invited back. His posting quality got him kicked in a day by BoodaBooda (TEST leader) again, only to be re-invited by another leader and instantly set forum mod.
I think the inability of TEST to failcascade due to most of its size provided by one corp is now a curse, as solutions cannot be forced by corp CEOs. The usual "fix it or we leave" that forces alliance leaders to make changes is openly trolled here. -A- died by corps leaving one by one. TEST can lose half of its corps without visible mark on the Dotlan statistics.
It's clear that fire and ice can't be in the same bucket. The "defeat is fail, we must do better" and "defeat is awesome, do it again" people won't last in the same alliance. However the question rises how could they last for 3 years? The solution is simply: because they didn't have to mix. TEST was lead by Montolio and his close and separate staff. He aligned TEST first with Goons, than with PL. The coalition fleets were lead by outside FCs (I don't remember flying under a single TEST FC in the campaign against -A-). This meant that TEST members did not need to be more competent than being able to press F1 and also that competent members could always find like-minded leaders to work with.
However TEST is now alone and the former leadership is gone. Now TEST must use self-grown leadership and it doesn't seem to able to grow any since as soon as you are competent enough to have other options, these options look much better, as nothing annoys a competent person more than "defeat is awesome".
One can ask where the top leader is? I mean even if the whole military directorate and all the FCs left, someone need to be the formal head of the alliance and the corps. The head of alliance is BoodaBooda, the head of Dreddit is Dovinian. What are they doing? Well, BoodaBooda isn't a bad leader who makes bad decisions. BoodaBooda is a horrible leader who makes no decisions. When practically the whole military directorate jumped ship, what did this blessed soul do? Renamed the leadership forum group from "Shortbus" to "High command" and even made a lengthy forum post about it. No doubt that the former name was stupid. But probably this wasn't the most urgent change. But still this was the only change BoodaBooda made in the last weeks. Dovinian, who has proven his worth by being the most AFK CSM of the history is keep being AFK and does absolutely nothing. Ever. TEST has no one left who could give orders and handle problems. Let BoodaBooda explain it himself:
"I MEAN DID YOU EXPECT ME TO READ THIS AND BE LIKE OH YEAH MAYBE GEVLONS RIGHT AND I SHOULD GET RID OF CALLDURON OR BAKI YUKU HMM MAYBE I SHOULD PICK ONE"
Yeah, his all caps anger is understandable. After all the idea to choose between two absolutely conflicting opinions within his own alliance is too much to ask from a leader. I mean such action would be ... leading.
My prediction: TEST won't lose visible amount of members, but it will lose the competent members and their corps. The remaining mass of "for fun" leeches won't be able to hold Delve against Pizza (a small pirate alliance), and will eventually transform into Brave Newbies 2 (without being cute) somewhere in lowsec.
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